Meditation, visualisation and awesome workouts with top CrossFit trainer Justin Wright #3
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Today I have an excellent guest - Justin Wright, who's one of the world's top Crossfit trainers, and the founder of the Wright Performance method of training. Today's chat throws up some thought-provoking subjects.
When you listen you'll hear:
Living with more energy
- Does visualisation and meditation even help your energy levels?
- Should you really be working out everyday?
- Let's talk about limitations: how can I find mine and can I push past them?
- How changing your night-time habits can improve your motivation and energy levels during the day
Easy, every-day tips for vitality
- Practical and positive nutrition choices for your everyday routine
- What type of ways can I measure my progress? Is something like the Jawbone helpful?
- Are protein bars and smoothies something I should be doing? What about supplements?
- The importance of not over-obsessing and how to maintain perspective
- Changing negative thoughts to positive energy
- Making positive attempts versus being perfect.
The Way of the SEAL: Think Like an Elite Warrior to Lead and Succeed
- By Mark Divine
For more information
Tony Wrighton: Justin, hello!
Justin Wright: Hi! How you doing Tony? Pleasure to be here.
Tony Wrighton: Yeah. Great to have you on Justin. Thanks for coming on. So I know that you take a very holistic approach to your clients. You look at the stuff they doing in the gym and out of the gym as well. Obviously, this podcast is focused very much on the energy, and vitality, and motivation as well. What’s your approach to helping people develop that? And what are the best ways that you found that people can develop more energy in their lives?
Justin Wright: Yeah. I… I’m a big fan of the mental approach to training. The stuff that goes into prepping for a training session. I’m actually a big believer in meditation and daily visualization. So, one thing I try to work with people on is, is channelling positive energy into training sessions. A lot of negative stuff happens in the day to day that we can’t really avoid. But it’s really important to visualize your performance going into a training session and kind of channel any of those negative things that have happened into positive energy for that session.
Tony Wrighton: In my experience, visualization actually works really well, but finding some people say, oh you know, visualising this and that isn’t actually going to help me. I need to do more than just imagine that it’s… you know that I’m, lifting a certain weight and being a certain way in the gym and it’s actually not motivating enough.
Justin Wright: Yeah I think that you got to look everything as a pyramid. And if you use your mental state going into a training session as the foundation of that pyramid. You know, it may not necessarily be the peak or the actually performance which a lot of people associate with success. But if you don’t handle those building blocks going into your training, then it’s tough to get that peak and have that performance output. So, the way I talk to people about it is, that visualization – that brief of clearing your mind and focusing before training is just as important if not more so because that’s laying the foundation for everything that you’re going to do physically.
Tony Wrighton: And do you do that as well, yourself?
Justin Wright: Absolutely! So, within the past probably year and a half, I’ve started adding meditation and visualization, and a lot more with my training. I try to spend at least 5-10 minutes during… throughout the day of just clear mind and clear focus. Not really thinking about anything. Just slow everything down because life can be very hectic and it’s important to get that quieting of the mind. And visualization is something that I partaken pretty much for all my training sessions. Just so mentally, I go in with a plan and I know what I’m going to do when I go into that workout.
Tony Wrighton: And what happens? Are you imagining? Are you literally seeing yourself lift a certain weight?
Justin Wright: Yeah. I run through in my mind every detail of the session. So every lift, every warm up, down to every movement, every repetition, just… so that when I go in, I have confidence. One of the big things that I tell my clients about weight lifting is… every time you get set up to lift a weight; think about attacking the bar. Visualize attacking the bar. It’s not a… a timid idea. Focus that energy and think about always giving full force and full energy into that movement.
Tony Wrighton: Listen, I’m… I’m loving this and I’m down with that but surely, there will be people saying to this saying, “What? You really think just visualizing it will make a difference.” But does it make a difference for you?
Justin Wright: 100% it makes a difference. And I would definitely put myself in the camp of sceptics initially. You know, I read about this meditation and kind of a warrior spirit and these visualization practices a few years ago. And I was “Oh you know that’s fine and good but I don’t really need that”, and I say probably a year and a half ago, I really said “Alright, you know what? Why don’t I give this a good try? Give it a shot. See what happens.” And I found that actually visualising the sessions and visualizing my goals, helped me perform a lot better on a day to day basis.
Tony Wrighton: I’m finding the concepts of meditation, and mindfulness, self-hypnosis, trance - whatever you want to call it, becoming much more mainstream these days and more acceptable to people. Are you finding that with your clients as well? Are they quite open to suggestions like these?
Justin Wright: Yeah. I think at the end of the day, people are performance driven. And if you can show them that this might be a little weird but it will help and it will work. I think people will latch on to that. Especially in you know, the Crossfit community, we see a lot of type A people. People who are driven by results and success and if you say okay if you take a second and try to implement these practices… it will help you. And I think most people realize that sort of stuff, they are a little more keen to try it or to buy in if you will.
Tony Wrighton: We can get in to kind of practical ways that people listening might actually apply that in a second but before that, we’ve dealt with the period before they come in to train with you. Then, you are one of these top trainers in Crossfit, which is kind of based around Olympic weight lifting and it’s kind of… it’s a group mentality as well, isn’t there? So, they’ve done their preparation. They’ve done their meditation. How does that impact on their session in the gym?
Justin Wright: The key is staying positive through a training session. And so, it’s working with people on… once you have the visualization, once you have the positive mind set coming into the gym, being able to maintain that. Especially with the lot of workouts that we do there… its intensity driven so it’s you know, you’re working as hard as you are physically able for you know like a duration of time, whatever that is. And there’s always a point in every workout where you want to go slower, or you want to stop, or your body wants to rest and it’s taking that moment and telling them to feed the positivity and use that energy that they’ve created to kind of push through those limitations that becomes very important.
Tony Wrighton: Hmmm… I mean that, I guess some people might say, when your body is telling you to stop is because it wants to stop or it needs to stop.
Justin Wright: Yeah. It’s… it’s part of being an athlete and you know, even people who aren’t competing in anything can be athletes. Being in an athlete is a state of mind. It’s what you do on a day to day basis. Part of being an athlete is understanding that there are limitations that can be pushed through and there are certain things that can’t be pushed through. If you have a sharp shooting pain, that’s probably an indicator that something bad is happening of course, but you know… discomfort is okay and I think learning to overcome discomfort is very important for every type of success with fitness.
Tony Wrighton: Are you finding that your clients in general are more and more receptive to this?
Justin Wright: Uhh... it’s… I’ve started to introduce really with… the bulk of people I work with. It’s more of the, you know, when the negative thoughts within the workout creep in… how to stop that, how to address it, and how to change that to positive. So not necessarily meditation within the workout, so to speak but, learning to understand those negative influences, and convert that into positive energy. That’s something that’s very practical for a lot of people. And with some of the clients who I’ve been working with more long term, that’s when we start getting to the visualization, and the mind-set. Everything leading into the workout.
Tony Wrighton: In terms of, energy and vitality, does this all help your client, do you think they feel more of a sense of energy but also motivation in their workouts?
Justin Wright: Yeah. I think it’s empowering. I mean, if you can… when you’re tired or when you don’t want to do something. If you can reverse that into a positive thought, if you can convince yourself that you know, you’re stronger than you think you are. You’re faster than you think you are. You’re more capable. That’s a very motivating thing. That’s an empowering moment. And if you’re doing that every day that you train and that positivity is... you know, it exponentially increases and that’s going to seep into every aspect of your life.
Tony Wrighton: Right then, come on Justin, I mentioned in the introduction that you have a background in chemistry. And you use your scientific knowledge… your chemistry knowledge… to help clients. How does that work and how can we apply this to our own lives? I got a kind of breaking bad image in my mind.
Justin Wright: Fortunately or unfortunately, I haven’t dealt to that world but uhh… the process of chemistry if you look at the scientific process, it’s understanding a problem. And then you know, we conduct an experiment or develop an experiment to address that problem. You go on a certain assumptions, certain variables, and so that mind set of being able to treat things like an experiment has helped me a lot because every client that I worked with is an individual. And at the end of the day, you have to look at each person at a separate experiment if you will, right? Some person comes in with certain limitations, somebody else might have completely different limitations. And so part of the successful training program, is designing an experiment to address each of those individuals and those variables. You know, tweaking certain things where the end result is you’re trying to optimize their performance. So it’s very much trying to optimize the results from any experiment that you know, we would do in a lab. It’s the same thought process, same idea really.
Tony Wrighton: So… presumably, you are well into data as well? I mean, one of the things that I’ve got really into is I’m wearing one of these jawbone wristbands that uhm… I don’t find it it’s that helpful to use in the gym actually because you can really only log a workout in the gym but it measures the amount of steps you’ve taken. It measures the amount of sleep you have. How long it takes you to fall asleep and the depth of sleep. And in terms of the data that it gives you, is quite interesting because if you think oh I slept less last night but that’s because I’ve had a whole bar of dark chocolate last night and it’s got caffeine in it. You can start to make some data driven decisions on that.
Justin Wright: Yeah. Absolutely. I actually… It’s funny that you mention that, because I actually use one as well for the sleep aspect because it’s interesting to see, you know, what factors affect sleep. And sleep is actually one of the most important variables with performance. I think a lot of people don’t sleep enough or don’t realize the importance of it. So if you can see, you know, my performance in the gym today was not great. But all the other variables were the same except for my sleep. Then you know that’s a definite factor in what happened that day. And it’s important to track all those things.
Tony Wrighton: And do you use it… do you use the sleep monitor every night?
Justin Wright: I do. Yeah.
Tony Wrighton: Yeah.
Justin Wright: I find it very very helpful, I enjoy using it quite a bit.
Tony Wrighton: Yeah. So, you’ve driven some... you’ve come to some decisions based on the data that the jawbone is giving you.
Justin Wright: Yeah absolutely. It’s all helpful. I mean, you have to look at obviously, you’re very into that holistic approach. You have to look at that holistic approach. That there are all these factors that go into performance. It’s not just, you show up at the gym. You have a good workout or a bad workout. There are factors that are going into that and understanding those factors is key.
Tony Wrighton: That’s great. There’s a new jawbone coming out isn’t there?
Justin Wright: Yes.
Tony Wrighton: Yeah. Which isn’t out yet. It’s been delayed for ages. They announced it about 4 months ago, and it measure blood pressure and heart rate, I think. But I think there was some kind of glitch in the technology which is why they haven’t brought it out yet. I’m being a bit of a jawbone geek and I’m very excited for when it does come out.
Justin Wright: It’s just more things to measure and more things to measure is always good as long as you know how to interpret that data.
Tony Wrighton: The only thing about the jawbone, and I’m wondering cause I’ve thought about this but haven’t actually mentioned this to anyone else whose got a jawbone. The only thing that I worry about is that… I worry about all the data the company collects about you. And health data is you know, more sensitive than any other really. And just think about all the knowledge that jawbone or whichever company is measuring you, has about you in terms of the way… your sleep patterns, your exercise patterns. I mean, I’m comfortable enough cause I’m still wearing it but it does occur to me that it’s not great.
Justin Wright: There is uhhh… I feel that… that can be applied to a lot of things. It’s a very data driven society and the fact that everything is interconnected. There’s a lot of… a lot personal information about us that’s kind of out there. I guess it’s certainly something to think about.
Tony Wrighton: Yeah. Yeah. But we still get on with it… we’re still wearing them.
Justin Wright: Yeah. We’re still alive so that’s good.
Tony Wrighton: You mentioned sleep. Tell me a bit more about how important sleep is for energy in your field, in what you do, and for your clients as well. Do you actually look at sleep with your clients? That’s not something I have experienced with personal trainers before.
Justin Wright: Yeah. We… at least with me personally, you have to look at all the factors, right? Nutrition was a big one but changing sleep patterns can actually make a substantial impact without people realizing it. So everybody’s looking at it like what am I eating, how many days am I getting in the gym? And I’ve actually talked with clients of mine, about… you know yeah, there’s a training program that I have written for you today but it’s better for you to rest today because you didn’t get enough sleep last night. Or some days, if your body’s tired. It’s telling you that you need to recover. And recovery is even more important than training. And I think a lot of people don’t appreciate that as much. It’s always the more is better attitude if you will. You know, I have to get into the gym, I have to do this. But, sleep is… in recovery, is more of an important factor than anything.
Tony Wrighton: So… okay. There’s people listening to this and they are all different levels of fitness and kind of lifestyle. Let’s take in some practical changes and improvements that people can make based on your approach. The Wright performance approach. And in terms of getting more energy, starting off in terms of pre-workout. That workout might be anything from a light yoga session to a heavy lifting session that you do. How would they actually practically get in the right frame of mind to do the best they can?
Justin Wright: I think you have to look at habits. Especially if we’re talking about sleep. Look at night time habits. I had to… it’s tough to be honest with yourself but I had to look at my personal habits and realize that a lot times, at night for example. I have the tv on at the background and I’m not really paying attention. But the fact, that there’s that stimulus there keeping me awake, keeping me from you know, getting ready for bed, and finishing the things that I need to finish. And so I think, it starts really with being 100% present in whatever you’re doing and looking at your habits. So I would tell people, look at your night time routine. After you eat dinner, what do you do? Do you just kind of sit around and have a background noise? Or are you focused on what you need to do to get ready to go to bed, get in your good night sleep? And a lot of times, people can save a lot of time in those situations which would allow them to get to bed earlier. Be more well rested going into the next day. So, for me I start with… looking at your habits… look at those nightly or daily habits.
Tony Wrighton: Okay. And then in the morning, I say, pre-workout whenever it is. Tell us more about the meditation aspect that you were talking about. And how people could apply that practically to their lives.
Justin Wright: Yeah absolutely. I think pre-workout is more of a visualization time. I don’t like delving into a full meditation or a longer meditation before workouts because I think that can put people in a relaxed state a lot of times. And so, you want to maintain that aware or active mental presence so that’s where the visualization comes into play. You know, calm your breathing, find a comfortable position and in your mind, walk through the workout. You have a plan in front of you, you know what you need to do. Visualize those lifts and it’s important to be as vivid as possible because you need to convince yourself that you will achieve that success. So I think very vivid and detailed visualization is important right before that workout.
Tony Wrighton: What about music? Or listening to anything during a workout. Does that… cause sometimes I find if I’m listening to something that I associate with energy or I associate with a good mood, a favourite song. Then it can help me to feel quite motivated.
Justin Wright: For me personally, I like listening to… not necessarily listening to relaxing music but calmer music that I enjoy. To stay focused going into my workout cause I find that sometimes if I’m playing loud rock or fast music that sometimes I actually get overexcited and it’s easy to get over stimulated in that sense. So it’s kind of finding a happy medium for me personally.
Tony Wrighton: Okay. So, we’ve got… collecting lots of scientific data about our sleep, and kind of getting ready for sleep a little bit earlier. Turning tvs off early. Is that by the way because of the kind of a circadian rhythm, and the light from the tv or from computer screens affecting sleep, or is that more simply to free up a little bit of time ahead of bed time?
Justin Wright: I think that’s a little bit of both. I think that, if you have something going on in the background, you’re more likely to waste time and extend the amount of time that you’re awake just because something is happening. You know, there’s some type of stimulus. But I also think that you have to look at the fact that you know, light exposure… late… a lot of people who check emails late on their phone or whatever have a hard time falling asleep. I think it’s important to have time to shut off from that external stimulus before bed to help you relax and settle into that.
Tony Wrighton: Okay great. So we got the go to bed earlier, and preparing and making lifestyle changes to kind of be set out for sleep better. And then we’ve got visualization and potentially meditation before a workout. Then we got listening to some kind of music, maybe during the workout to feel energy but maybe not too energetic by listening to relaxing music. We haven’t really looked at diet and we haven’t really looked at supplements yet. I mean, we’ve looked at lifestyle changes. I know a lot of people in the Crossfit community are Paleo, and you’re obviously right at the top of the Crossfit community, are you Paleo as well?
Justin Wright: I think the Paleo diet is a good baseline. I think it’s a great way to get people to a good nutritional level and modify from there.
Tony Wrighton: But yourself, you’re not Paleo?
Justin Wright: I’m not. No.
Tony Wrighton: Have you dabbled with it or…?
Justin Wright: I have yeah. Yeah. I’ve done… I’ve followed strict Paleo. I followed Paleo with some modifications. I found that for me personally, with performance and actually being able to keep on body weight, and stay strong that I need to eat a lot more carbohydrates. And it’s just not practical for me, you know, my carbohydrate intake is close to 500 grams a day if not more. It’s very difficult to get that in a Paleo diet.
Tony Wrighton: And what about in terms of energy… what are the best foods that you’ve come across for you and your clients in terms of energy?
Justin Wright: I think at the end of the day, you have to look at any type of whole food source. You know, so whatever diet people are following… it’s better to get calories from whole food sources. You know like, animal meats, vegetables, fruits, you know, rice, potatoes, that kind of stuff versus shakes, or bars, or processed items. It’s always better to get those nutrients, especially carbohydrate intake wise, from denser sources like potatoes and rice versus sugars or fast acting foods.
Tony Wrighton: Yeah. Listen, I totally agree with that and yet, you know, when I go to the gym. When I’m out and about or I’m at work or you just want a kind of a quick snack. It’s just so hard to you know, to constantly packing and unpacking, tucked away boxes with a bit of chicken with some brown rice in it you know, it’s just not very practical. Sometimes, a protein shake is actually a very easy way of getting… you know, some half decent food inside you but you say that’s not so good.
Justin Wright: I don’t think it’s necessarily bad. I mean, you have to look at it with everything. If you’re looking at the holistic approach, you have to look at with your mental state and your mind set. And I think with nutrition, yes it’s important to aim for the best quality foods as possible. But we also have to be practical and realize that in the day to day, things are going to happen and it’s better to eat and get food in than to under eat just because you don’t have access to maybe the highest quality of food of that time.
Tony Wrighton: Well I guess that’s the opposite of what I do sometimes. Sometimes, if there’s not really many options, I’ll kind of go hungry until there are.
Justin Wright: Yeah. Yeah. You know, it’s… you got to look at everybody’s personal case. For me, under eating was something that I was doing without realizing it. So I started tracking my food intake very closely to make sure that I was getting enough food in. And so, just in my personal experience, if I’m under eating or not getting calories at the right time, it has a detrimental effect on performance. So, as much as I try to get good quality food in and I certainly do most of the time, there are definitely times where you know, I’ll have to grab whatever is available. Even if it may not be necessarily be option number 1, if you will.
Tony Wrighton: Yeah. And you said that you track your food quite closely. Do you use the jawbone for that?
Justin Wright: So actually, through the jawbone app I got introduced to my fitness pal. It’s one of the apps that you can kind of plug in and feed data from with the jawbone. And so I actually use my fitness pal to track my daily food intake. They have a pretty good database of most foods and common foods or things from chain… chain places, chain stores and restaurants as well. So it’s pretty easy to input that data right on my phone.
Tony Wrighton: That’s great. I have heard of my fitness pal. Would you recommend that though then?
Justin Wright: I would. I think it’s good for everybody. Not to obsess with it but, to just get a sense of what you’re actually eating. Because, not so much you know, looking at carbs, protein, and fats for most people. But just looking at consistency, because, a lot of people will be surprised about how inconsistent they are with their intake from day to day.
Tony Wrighton: I think one of the words you used there is a really good one, ‘not to obsess over it’. Because I think, there are some people thinking, what? God, he wants me to track my sleep, and he wants me to write down what I’m eating, and do these stuff and the other. Meditate before I work out. Turn the tv of earlier. And there is a danger that these, focus on you know, self-improvement, high performance, energy, or whatever you want to call it can kind of just cross the line into obsession. Do you ever feel like you’ve slightly crossed that? Cause I do sometimes.
Justin Wright: Absolutely. I… I mean, when you’re trying to tip the scales of performance, it’s very easy to go overboard. And I found that I, I certainly have done that in the past. But what I’ve tried to convince myself of more and more is that, if you’re making an attempt and you’re making an effort. It’s better than not making an effort. So it doesn’t necessarily need to be perfect. And this is something that I try to tell the clients that I work with regularly is that, your effort doesn’t need to be perfect, as long as it’s present. Give the effort, make an attempt. If you’re trying, it’s better than if you weren’t. And so, it doesn’t need to be a 100% perfect, everything has rhythm. As long as it’s moving in a positive direction.
Tony Wrighton: That is very well said. Are there any supplements that you’d recommend for energy? This might not necessarily be pre-workout but just in general for people who… maybe, they have kids, or they’re working really hard, or they just feel run down. Or they just want to… you know, they feel okay, but they want to feel amazing. Are there any supplements that you recommend?
Justin Wright: Yeah absolutely. I think universally, everyone should be taking in some type of high quality fish oil supplement. I think the research out there is so positive that there’s really no reason not to. And on top of that… one thing that I’ve actually have added to my daily routine that has helped me quite a bit is I take like a… it’s called a… super green powder or like a vegetable powder. Just one of those super food supplements that I just mix in with water and have in the morning. And that kind of helps my energy levels for the day because it helps give me an intake of vegetables early on where a lot of us aren’t necessarily eating a bunch vegetables in the morning. So that has definitely helped my energy levels.
Tony Wrighton: Yeah great. And what fish oil do you use?
Justin Wright: I actually use… I use two brands. One is from stronger, faster, healthier. It’s a company actually based in Maine, so right here in the north east. It’s an actual oil. So…
Tony Wrighton: Yeah.
Justin Wright: I’ll take that because it’s easy to you know, handle but when you’re travelling, obviously, carrying an oil can get messy because spills happen and whatever. So, when I’m travelling I take pills from a company called Pure Pharma which is they have some of the highest quality fish oil within a pill form.
Tony Wrighton: Okay. Cause these fish oils in liquid form are generally supposed to be better aren’t they, but they can taste a bit dodgy.
Justin Wright: Yeah. I would say there are flavours that I have tried and enjoyed, and flavours I have tried and would rather forget.
Tony Wrighton: Yeah.
Justin Wright: I found, especially from stronger, faster, healthier, the fruit flavours like the tangerine or even the lemon is actually pretty good because it tends to go well with that fish so it masks the flavour. And then with the pills you really can’t go wrong because you can’t taste it generally, at all.
Tony Wrighton: Yeah. I’ve got the blue ice one here, I think its cinnamon flavoured which is quite nice.
Justin Wright: Oh okay.
Tony Wrighton: And you can find syringe it. It has a little plastic syringe in it. And you syringe it in your mouth. I got to be honest, you do kind of get a cinnamon after taste… burp throughout the day, but apart from that, it’s quite alright really.
Justin Wright: Better cinnamon than fish I guess, right?
Tony Wrighton: Yeah, that’s true. Exactly. Yeah. Now listen Justin, it’s great to talk to you. If there was… the question that I ask at the end of the podcast is, if there was a book that you would recommend. One book that you’d recommend, what would it be? And if you have one tip to for us living our lives with more energy. So, one book that you’d recommend and one tip for living our lives with more energy. What would it be?
Justin Wright: I would say, as far as book, I would have to recommend “The way of the Seal” by Mark Divine. He is a founder of seal fit and he is very much into that holistic training approach within Crossfit. I mean, actually he is the one who kind of spurred my foray into meditation, if you will.
Tony Wrighton: Fantastic.
Justin Wright: And as far as, one tip that I would leave everybody with, is like I have mentioned to you when we were talking just before is. Don’t obsess over any of these things. If you’re taking one step in a positive direction, that is better than not taking any steps at all. So I think, a lot of people get into this over analysis… paralysis actually as Mark Divine says, that you’re thinking too much. Just take a step in the right direction and don’t worry. That’s a step in a positive place versus staying put where you are now.
Tony Wrighton: Justin, that is fantastic. How long… how much sleep did you get last night on your jawbone?
Justin Wright: Last night, I actually had just over 8 hours. It was a good night.
Tony Wrighton: 8 hours, that’s good. That’s good. I’m at 730. I’m a bit annoyed that you’re better. But then I’m, obsessing now and you just told me not to. So…
Justin Wright: Yeah. Just relax.
Tony Wrighton: Yeah. Just relax. Chill out. Justin, it’s great to talk to you. Thank you so much. Where can people find a little bit more about you who are listening and they would like to know more about the Wright performance method of training or about you personally.
Justin Wright: So… they can always email me. My contact info is on the website. It’s trainwright.com. The blog hasn’t been updated in a little bit. We’re actually doing a little bit of an overhaul so I’d probably posting some more stuff soon. But if anyone has questions, they are always welcome to email me through that website.
Tony Wrighton: Justin listen, it’s really good to talk to you. I’ve taken loads away from that. So thank you so much.
Justin Wright: Thank you for having me.
Tony Wrighton: Yeah. Well great to talk to you and hopefully, we can talk to you again soon.
Justin Wright: Yeah absolutely. Have a great day!
Justin has a background in chemistry and uses his scientific knowledge to help clients of all levels to move well and build strength and confidence. It's a cracking chat. Whether you love the gym, or you never go, if you're interested in more energy, more sleep, and better performance you'll enjoy this show I hope.
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